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How did this all start? Yuusatsu fought for Mexico, against the USA in Yucatan and in Oslandet fought for Sweden.
Here is the transcript of their conversation:
22:00 Yuusatsu - NathanP-Afk
22:00 Yuusatsu - for God's sake
22:01 Yuusatsu - are you all too damn stupid to understand that I am not fighting the USA?
22:01 Yuusatsu - and what has Sweden to do with it, lol?
22:02 genyo - Yuusatsu: People are mad that you fought against USA. It doesn't matter to them if you had good intentions
22:02 Yuusatsu - No, I am not fighting against USA, I am fighting in favour of my own politics
22:02 Yuusatsu - I am trying to run as Party Leader
22:02 Yuusatsu - and as American
22:03 genyo - in Mexico?
22:03 Yuusatsu - for example.
22:03 Yuusatsu - and Sweden as well
22:04 genyo - A person cannot fight their own politics and be a major part of gov. If you fight against your President, and cabinet. You need to express your feelings and not fight with dmg, for now you fight with words
22:05 Yuusatsu - Why do I need to express my feelings? To obtain an acceptance from the government?
22:05 Yuusatsu - I am expressing it with involved partners
22:06 genyo - yes, but you're fighting against your flag. In Primera fighting for Poland would be considered traitor?
22:06 Yuusatsu - genyo, the fact that I and the government share the same flag
22:06 Yuusatsu - does not mean that I fight against it
22:07 Yuusatsu - I fight against people, against politics I dislike
22:07 Yuusatsu - do not try that populist, brainwashing kind of persuasion
22:07 Yuusatsu - populistic*
22:07 *** NathanP-Afk is now known as NathanP
22:07 genyo - Yuusatsu: fighting for an enemy, whether you agree that they are an enemy, is fighting against your country
22:08 Yuusatsu - No, genyo
22:08 Yuusatsu - Mexico is "our" enemy
22:08 Yuusatsu - because the government said so
22:08 Yuusatsu - I have never said I wanted Mexico to be occupied by the US
22:08 genyo - congress voted
22:08 NathanP - Yuusatsu, you fight against dod orders, you fight for the enemy in a time of war for what? a medal? i is unacceptable.
22:08 Yuusatsu - after having seen what it is all going to
22:08 Yuusatsu - NathanP
22:09 Yuusatsu - whose war, please?
22:09 NathanP - um we are at WAR WITH SWEDEN
22:09 Yuusatsu - No
22:09 NathanP - DERP!
22:09 Yuusatsu - YOU are
22:09 NathanP - no our ALLIANCE IS>
22:10 Yuusatsu - I can see no Sweden in our MPPs
22:10 Yuusatsu - external groups the government had joined
22:10 Yuusatsu - is none of my concern
22:10 NathanP - BECAUSE SWEDEN IS NOT OUR MPP THEY ARE ENEMY.
22:10 Yuusatsu - Ah, sorry
22:10 Yuusatsu - wrong country : d
22:10 NathanP - you clearly do not understand the politics of this game.
22:10 Yuusatsu - I can see no Norway*
22:11 Yuusatsu - oh, I understand
22:11 NathanP - no im sorry but you do not.
22:11 Yuusatsu - but you all seem not to understand that I don't care about all you do
22:11 Yuusatsu - It is all going to meet my words I had spoken on the first day of the eUS on Secura
22:11 NathanP - well then until the election you shall be branded as a traitor for fighting for the enemy of the USA>
22:11 Yuusatsu - NathanP
22:12 Yuusatsu - please
22:12 Yuusatsu - not the USA
22:12 Yuusatsu - but the GOVERNMENT
22:12 NathanP - you fought FOR the enemy regarldless of an MPP with Norway, you fought FOR THE ENEMY.
22:12 Yuusatsu - I know you like that American-like bullshit
22:12 Yuusatsu - No
22:12 Yuusatsu - I cannot recall myself having Sweden as my enemy
22:12 Yuusatsu - to be honest, I have good connections with them
22:12 NathanP - again you do not understand the politic and as a trairot I wouldnt expect such.
22:13 Yuusatsu - I wouldn't expect much from American ; <
22:13 Yuusatsu - you adjust everything to your thinking
22:13 Yuusatsu - not the reality
22:13 Yuusatsu - and that's such a pity
22:14 Yuusatsu - I am a traitor of YOUR politic
22:14 NathanP - just because we have not declared was on sweden does not mean they are not our enemy.
22:14 Yuusatsu - and that's true
22:14 Yuusatsu - that's interesting ; )
22:14 Yuusatsu - it's like Russia and Japan now! ; )
22:14 Yuusatsu - but they haven't signed TOP yet ; <
22:14 NathanP - you do not understand the politics and everything you say proves my point.
22:15 Yuusatsu - and none of your arguments are valid
22:15 NathanP - until you stop fighitng for the enemy of the USA you are a traitor.
22:15 Yuusatsu - yeah
22:15 Yuusatsu - ; )
22:15 Yuusatsu - NathanP
22:15 Yuusatsu - I understand you might have been raised in the world of Bush
22:15 Yuusatsu - and Obama
22:15 NathanP - lol
22:15 Yuusatsu - or whoever it might have been
22:15 Yuusatsu - I don't care
22:15 NathanP - I m sure im older than you child.
22:15 Yuusatsu - not an argument at all
22:16 Yuusatsu - age != experience
22:16 NathanP - Dont try and use "Age" against me then when confronted with it say its not valid.
22:16 Yuusatsu - <@NathanP> I m sure im older than you child.
22:16 Yuusatsu - yup, that was me.
22:16 NathanP - Yuusatsu> I understand you might have been raised in the world of Bush
22:17 Yuusatsu - that rather connects
22:17 Yuusatsu - with the reality you live in
22:17 Yuusatsu - not the age ...
22:17 NathanP - I wasnt raised in the world of bush I was raised in Nixon and carter.
22:17 NathanP - and the line of a traitor is pretty clear no matter which era
22:17 Yuusatsu - nopes
22:18 Yuusatsu - every professor of politics or even philosophy can tell you, that a goverment never equalls a country
22:18 Yuusatsu - I might be betraying your vision of politics
22:18 Yuusatsu - alliances and enemies
22:18 Yuusatsu - battles, wars
22:18 Yuusatsu - but not the country
22:18 Yuusatsu - as far I know
22:18 Yuusatsu - I haven't been fighting against my fellow friends
22:19 Yuusatsu - haven't spitted on the flag
22:19 NathanP - even if you do not agree with the politics you do not fight for the enemy and thats exactly what you have done and fighting for the enemy in a timwe of was .... = traitor
22:19 Yuusatsu - I might have done that on people fighting against my ideas
22:19 Yuusatsu - and that's the only possibility
22:19 Yuusatsu - logical
22:19 Yuusatsu - NathanP
22:19 Yuusatsu - I told you this might look like it looks now
22:19 Yuusatsu - not only once
22:19 Yuusatsu - I am loyal to my ideas and words
22:19 Yuusatsu - and I am fighting for them
22:20 Yuusatsu - we're two different visions
22:20 Yuusatsu - it's no way I can betray my country
22:20 Yuusatsu - I can betray the government
22:20 NathanP - listen I dont care what you do. you will most likely get into congress and that makes me sad for this country. but you and I are done.
22:21 Yuusatsu - your words fall into equation, that when the goverment changes and the politics do as well, I will still be a traitor
22:21 Yuusatsu - which is nothing but a false
22:21 Yuusatsu - I might betray the goverment or the ideas
22:21 Yuusatsu - and most likely the second one
22:21 Yuusatsu - which I am not familiar with
22:21 Yuusatsu - I am not accepting
22:21 Yuusatsu - and I will not be supporting
22:22 Yuusatsu - what I can say is that I was right back then
22:22 Yuusatsu - nobody was listening
22:22 NathanP - I dont need your support just dont fight for the enemy, thats pretty clear.
22:23 NathanP - traitors fight for the enemy
22:23 Yuusatsu - and I told you, I might be a traitor of your vision of politic
22:23 Yuusatsu - and that would be
22:23 Yuusatsu - and IS true
22:23 Yuusatsu - but to be a traitor
22:24 NathanP - Definition of TRAITOR
22:24 NathanP - 1
22:24 NathanP - : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
22:24 NathanP - 2
22:24 NathanP - : one who commits treason
22:24 NathanP - See traitor defined for English-language learners �
22:24 NathanP - See traitor defined for kids �
22:24 Yuusatsu - ...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]
22:24 Yuusatsu - which does not apply
22:24 Yuusatsu - to any of my actions
22:24 NathanP - you are injuring this country by fighting for our enemy.
22:25 NathanP - you betrayed this countries trust.
22:25 Yuusatsu - I am so sorry, but I had my connections with Sweden before it all started
22:25 NathanP - you duty is to Protect this country.
22:25 Yuusatsu - and I am so sorry that I am more fair towards myself
22:25 Yuusatsu - than the government
22:25 NathanP - then go to sweden
22:25 Yuusatsu - your politics
22:25 Yuusatsu - is not mine
What is your opinion? Please leave it in the comments.
Conversation was Published with the permission of NathanP and Yuusatsu.
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