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[Quora]内蒙古比蒙古更好吗? Are Mongolians in Inner Mongolia 'better off' than Mongolians in Mongolia (Fun)
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There is no ready made survey on this. If you see GDP, probably Inner Mongolia is higher. Also infrastructure and technology in the PRC is far better than Mongolia. However, on the other hand, Inner Mongolian herders faced fencing since 1980's, as a result they can no longer practice their traditional way of pastoral life. On the other hand, although Mongolians might be not so rich in terms of GDP, if you visit Mongolian grassland, a herder household has at least 200 sheep or goat, and at least 20 horses as the norm. In the city people are much more liberal and ambitious than people in China, thus much happier.
网友:目前还没有现成的调查报告。 如果看GDP,也许内蒙古更高。 中国的基础设施和科学技术也远远优于蒙古。 但一方面,内蒙古牧民自20世纪80年代以来就面临禁牧,不能再实行传统的游牧生活方式。 另一方面,虽然蒙古国在GDP方面可能并不富裕,但如果您访问蒙古草原,正常的牧民家庭至少有200只绵羊或山羊,20匹马。 在城市里,人们比中国人民更加自由和向上,因此更加快乐。

Are Mongolians in Inner Mongolia 'better off' than Mongolians in Mongolia

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内蒙古比蒙古更好吗?



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1.Chenxu Li, Original Inner Mongolian.
As an ethnic Mongolian living in China: Yes.
Geometrical aspect: Soil of Inner Mongolia is much more exploitable by nature comparing to Mongolia. The majority of Mongolia is empty with rocks, sand, etc, which is very unpopulated. This is not the case for Inner Mongolia.
Population: due to above reasons the Mongolia has only about 3million populations while Inner Mongolia has 24million. Population is the engine for ecnomics.
Econimics: China is strong economically and its trade will certainly benefits Inner Mongolia. By the year of 2015, the GDP of Inner Mongolia is 285 billion USD while Mongolia has only 36.6 billion USD.Inner Mongolia vs Mongolia;
Health; Education: HDI: from above links you can see the HDI of Inner Mongolia 0.722 is neck and neck with Mongolia 0.727. However if you take population into consideration, Inner Mongolia will prevail.
So to sum up, Mongolians living in Inner Mongolia definitely live better than in Mongolia.

李晨旭,蒙古族人
作为一个居住在中国的蒙古族:我想说是的。
地理方面:内蒙古的土地比蒙古自然要好得多。蒙古大部分地区空无一人,人烟稀少。内蒙古情况并非如此。
人口:由于以上原因,蒙古国只有300万人口,内蒙古有2400万人口。人口是经济的引擎。
经济:中国经济实力强劲,贸易一定会惠及内蒙古。到2015年,内蒙古的生产总值为2850亿美元,蒙古国为366亿美元。
健康;教育:HDI:内蒙古HDI 0.722与蒙古0.727是差不多的。但是,如果考虑到人口,内蒙古将占上风。
总而言之,生活在内蒙古的蒙古人生活肯定比蒙古国人好。


2.Jinhene Ner, Mongolia
It’s complicated and 100% depends on personal taste.
It’s like freedom VS money.
Let’s say you are someone in Innermongolia : Your city infrastructure is far better developed than Mongolian capital city. GPD is higher. You are minority in your own land. Whenever you go , you will see mostly Han chinese. Your country is not independent. It’s better off to abandon your nomadic culture and live in the city because chinese are using it for mining. Even tho there are few mongolian schools you sent your child to chinese school because that’s better for your child’s future career. As a result younger generation will only speak chinese. You have chinese passport and ID, so whenever you go, you will be seen as chinese person.
But hey you are one of 1 billion people. And everyone knows about china. Whenever you go people will greet you with Ni HAO. Your country “china” is becoming bigger and stronger.
Someone in Mongolia : You live in a very small and economically or politically not powerful country. There are many corrupted politicians but you have freedom of speech. You can openly curse at them doodle them and make fun of them. Actually most of the rap songs are diss to politicians.
Your country is independent you can find it on world map and during Olympics you can see your flag or hear your anthem. You are majority in your country all your neighbors are mongolian and everyone speaks mongolian. So future generation would probably speak mongolian. Government supports herders and mongolian traditional nomadic culture. Mongolian population density is the lowest in the world so enjoy more nature not cities.
You are one of 3 million people with less money and more freedom.
So which option do you prefer? Which one is “better off” than the other.

吉恩尼尔,蒙古人
这很复杂,100%取决于个人的屁股。
这就像自由VS金钱。
假设你是一个内蒙古人。 你城市的基础设施远远要好于蒙古国首都。你的GPD更高。但是,你在自己的土地上变成了少数民族。无论你走到哪儿,你都会看到汉人。你的国家不是独立的,于你而言遗弃你的游牧文化,生活在城市里会更好,因为汉人要开矿。为了你孩子的前途,你不得不把他送到汉族学校。你有中国护照和身份证,所以无论你走到哪儿,你都会被视为中国人。
但是,嘿,你是十亿人中的一个。每个人都知道中国,你走在世界各处,人们会用“你好”欢迎你。你的国家“中国”正在变得越来越强大。

蒙古国人:你生活在一个非常小的,经济上政治上也很弱的国家。它有很多腐败的政治家但是你有演讲的自由。你可以诅咒并取笑他们。实际上大部分的蒙古说唱歌曲都是诟病政治家。
你的国家是独立的,你可以在世界地图上找到它,在奥运会期间你可以看到你的国旗听到你的国歌。在蒙古国,你是主流。所以你的后代会说蒙古语。政府支持牧民和传统的游牧文化。蒙古人口密度是世界上最低的,因此你可以享受更多的自然而不是城市。
你是300万人中的一员,钱少,自由度高。
那么你更喜欢哪个?哪一个比另一个“更好”?

3.Buka Buka, I am a Mongolian.
There is no ready made survey on this. If you see GDP, probably Inner Mongolia is higher. Also infrastructure and technology in the PRC is far better than Mongolia. However, on the other hand, Inner Mongolian herders faced fencing since 1980's, as a result they can no longer practice their traditional way of pastoral life. On the other hand, although Mongolians might be not so rich in terms of GDP, if you visit Mongolian grassland, a herder household has at least 200 sheep or goat, and at least 20 horses as the norm. In the city people are much more liberal and ambitious than people in China, thus much happier.

布卡布卡,我是蒙古人。
目前还没有现成的调查。 如果看国内生产总值,也许内蒙古更高。 中国的基础设施和科学技术也远远优于蒙古。 但另一方面,内蒙古牧民自20世纪80年代以来就面临禁牧,不能再实行传统的游牧生活方式。 另一方面,虽然蒙古国在GDP方面可能并不富裕,但如果您访问蒙古草原,正常的牧民家庭至少有200只绵羊或山羊,20匹马。 在城市里,人们比中国人民更加自由和向上,因此更加快乐。

4.Tsetsen Dashtseren, lives in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia
I suppose there is no a straightforward answer to this question. it is much dependent on what criteria to use to define the identity. to me it sounds very similar if you ask which part of Korea (north or south) kept its Korean identity better? if such question is asked with regard to Koreans I suppose many would answer that South Koreans are more affected by US culture or Westernized etc., while North is underdeveloped etc. If you want to ask which Korea remained close to the one that used to be then it will make sense to answer that North is perhaps more close to the one that used to be before WWII. In this term probably North Koreans kept their identity better than their Southern brothers.
But on the other hand the future of Korean ethnicity is perhaps more secure in hands of South Koreans since South Koreans are performing better as a successful independent nation while future of North Korea is quite uncertain since North Korea will undergo major changes in the future. There will be lot of changes in foreseeable future for sure. And maybe their southern brother will be a development benchmark for them. These are certainly a speculations since future is always fundamentally unknown to us.
if you look with these thoughts to Mongolia you will find similarities for sure.
Obviously so called Outer Mongolia was also severely affected by Russian influence while Inner Mongolia was more affected by Chinese influence. Maybe our Chinese Mongolians are closer to Mongolians of early last century although I have some serious doubts. Although we were severely affected by Russians nevertheless outer Mongolians certainly are doing better as an independent nation. so perhaps it is sufficient to argue that outer Mongolians are keeping their identity better since the chance to remain as independent nation is far greater in a case of outer Mongolians compared to Inner Mongolians.
To recap my point is that identity is not a static phenomenon it evolves and develop. I presume outer Mongolians are developing faster compared to other Mongolians like Chinese or Russian Mongolians. And I am not sure which criteria is more relevant these days to provide a clear cut answer with regard of true Mongolian identity.

达奚次仁,居住在蒙古乌兰巴托
我想这个问题没有直接的答案,那取决于你对身份认同的定义。如果你问朝鲜的哪一部分(北部或南部)保持朝鲜人的身份更好,是不是跟这个问题听起来很相似?我想说的是,很多人会回答说,韩国人受美国文化或西方影响较大,北方则不发达等。如果你想问哪个朝鲜更接近传统朝鲜人。在这个定义中,可能北韩人比南韩人更能保持自己的身份。
但是另一方面朝鲜民族的未来放到南朝鲜手里更安全,因为南朝鲜是一个成功的独立国家而北朝鲜方面相当不确定。在可以预见的未来,也许他们的南方兄弟将成为他们的发展基准。这当然只是一个猜测。

如果你回过头来想想蒙古,你肯定会发现相似之处。
显然,所谓的外蒙古也受到俄罗斯的严重影响,而内蒙古更受中国影响。也许我们的中国蒙古族兄弟与上个世纪初的蒙古族差不多,尽管我很怀疑。另一方面,尽管我们受到俄罗斯人的严重影响,但蒙古作为一个独立的国家,一定会做得更好。外蒙古人更可能很好地保持自己的身份,因为作为独立国家的机会比内蒙古蒙古族要大得多。
重申我的观点是,身份认同不是一个静态现象,它正在演变和发展。我猜蒙古国人比中国和俄罗斯的蒙古人发展得更快。我不确定谁能提供一个清晰的答案,关于蒙古人的身份认同。

西北的兔子:
神他吗蒙古更自由,我是蒙古族,在内蒙生活二十几年了,从来没感觉过不自由,升学考公务员都给照顾,从没感觉谁压迫了,倒是外蒙,连自己的文字都改了好意思说自由?(蒙古说俄语)纳粹党横行就是民主?开着几十年前的嘎斯去扫货就是有经济潜力?蒙古的根子在内蒙,不是被殖民化,斯拉夫化的外蒙人,中国不让内蒙人学习蒙语,那请问世界知名的杭盖乐队、HAYA乐队怎么学的蒙语。


话说,黄金家族后人都在内蒙古吧,外蒙的是奴隶后代来着?

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